If I can bring the ethical discussion back to the hobby, here is an
interesting list I received from Yorkshire Tortoise, a fellow letterboxer in
England. As you might know, most UK clues are sent to prospective finders
in books rather than posted on the Web. YT said this code of ethics is sent
with all cluelists.
Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and other
publications. Take note of the prohibition on historic sites and the ban on
plastic bags.
YT also sent me a translation of the names the British use for various
types of boxes. All are listed on the Mid Missouri Letterboxers site,
http://midmoletterboxing.blogspot.com/.
C2B2
--
Clyde Bentley
1863 Cliff Drive
Columbia, MO 65201
(573) 445-2295
Letterboxing in England
Code of Conduct
Courtesy of The Yorkshire Tortoise
This Code of Conduct is sent out with all cluelists from the UK letterboxing
clubs.
1. Digging holes in the ground is illegal, and absolutely FORBIDDEN. No box
should be placed in a hole in the ground, and the soil surface should not be
disturbed when looking for a box.
2. No box should be placed in any animals earth, set or warren, even if it
appears to be disused. (Offenders may be prosecuted)
3. If a box is placed in a hole in a dead tree, make sure that it is not
likely to cause harm to rare lichen, moss, insects etc
4. Avoid putting a box on heathland where it may disturb a ground nesting
bird
5. All boxes must have a contact address or telephone number
6. Do not place a box in any monument or stone wall, nor any site of
historic or archaeological importance
7. Avoid public resort areas
8. Boxes should be as sturdy as possible and an unobtrusive colour, but NOT
wrapped in plastic bags or sheeting ? Animals eat it!
9. The grouse-shooting season starts on August 12th, and continues until
December. If there is any sign of a shoot, or land management in progress,
please letterbox in a different area in order to avoid attention being drawn
to our activities
10. Respect other people?s property and privacy
11. Do not leave litter (aim to leave a site tidier than you found it)
12. Try not to disturb vegetation or wildlife when planting or looking for
boxes
13. Be aware of the security issues of leaving boxes following recent
bombings
14. Follow the country code (The country or "countryside code" is and
established set of four guidelines: Be safe, leave gates and property as you
found them, protect wildlife, control dogs and consider other people. )
Clyde H. Bentley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Missouri School of Journalism
3 Neff Hall
Columbia, MO 65211-1200
(573) 884-9688 BentleyCl@missouri.edu
http://www.missouri.edu/~bentleyc
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Letterboxing Ethics
15 messages in this thread |
Started on 2006-06-30
Letterboxing Ethics
From: Clyde Bentley (clyde.bentley@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-06-30 14:09:07 UTC-05:00
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Susan Johnson (susan@kuku.org) |
Date: 2006-06-30 20:42:04 UTC
Clyde,
Thanks for sharing this. I think the whole document has some good
points.
Putting letterboxes inside plastic bags is a big no-no here in the
Pacific Northwest. We have many areas with lots of moisture and
putting the box in a bag usually ensures the entire box is damp or
worse.
I especially like the country code and would hope that the majority
of letterboxes would follow this.
I would like to ask: How many letterboxers carry garbage bags and
pick up litter when they LB?
If not, can I challenge you to start this? Having a positive impact
on the environment would be an excellent tenant of Letterboxing.
KuKu
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
wrote:
>
> If I can bring the ethical discussion back to the hobby, here is an
> interesting list I received from Yorkshire Tortoise, a fellow
letterboxer in
> England. As you might know, most UK clues are sent to prospective
finders
> in books rather than posted on the Web. YT said this code of
ethics is sent
> with all cluelists.
>
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and
other
> publications. Take note of the prohibition on historic sites and
the ban on
> plastic bags.
>
> YT also sent me a translation of the names the British use for
various
> types of boxes. All are listed on the Mid Missouri Letterboxers
site,
> http://midmoletterboxing.blogspot.com/.
>
> C2B2
>
> --
> Clyde Bentley
> 1863 Cliff Drive
> Columbia, MO 65201
> (573) 445-2295
>
>
> Letterboxing in England
> Code of Conduct
> Courtesy of The Yorkshire Tortoise
>
> This Code of Conduct is sent out with all cluelists from the UK
letterboxing
> clubs.
>
> 1. Digging holes in the ground is illegal, and absolutely
FORBIDDEN. No box
> should be placed in a hole in the ground, and the soil surface
should not be
> disturbed when looking for a box.
> 2. No box should be placed in any animals earth, set or warren,
even if it
> appears to be disused. (Offenders may be prosecuted)
> 3. If a box is placed in a hole in a dead tree, make sure that it
is not
> likely to cause harm to rare lichen, moss, insects etc
> 4. Avoid putting a box on heathland where it may disturb a ground
nesting
> bird
> 5. All boxes must have a contact address or telephone number
> 6. Do not place a box in any monument or stone wall, nor any site of
> historic or archaeological importance
> 7. Avoid public resort areas
> 8. Boxes should be as sturdy as possible and an unobtrusive colour,
but NOT
> wrapped in plastic bags or sheeting ? Animals eat it!
> 9. The grouse-shooting season starts on August 12th, and continues
until
> December. If there is any sign of a shoot, or land management in
progress,
> please letterbox in a different area in order to avoid attention
being drawn
> to our activities
> 10. Respect other people?s property and privacy
> 11. Do not leave litter (aim to leave a site tidier than you found
it)
> 12. Try not to disturb vegetation or wildlife when planting or
looking for
> boxes
> 13. Be aware of the security issues of leaving boxes following
recent
> bombings
> 14. Follow the country code (The country or "countryside code" is
and
> established set of four guidelines: Be safe, leave gates and
property as you
> found them, protect wildlife, control dogs and consider other
people. )
>
> Clyde H. Bentley, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Missouri School of Journalism
> 3 Neff Hall
> Columbia, MO 65211-1200
> (573) 884-9688 BentleyCl@...
> http://www.missouri.edu/~bentleyc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thanks for sharing this. I think the whole document has some good
points.
Putting letterboxes inside plastic bags is a big no-no here in the
Pacific Northwest. We have many areas with lots of moisture and
putting the box in a bag usually ensures the entire box is damp or
worse.
I especially like the country code and would hope that the majority
of letterboxes would follow this.
I would like to ask: How many letterboxers carry garbage bags and
pick up litter when they LB?
If not, can I challenge you to start this? Having a positive impact
on the environment would be an excellent tenant of Letterboxing.
KuKu
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
>
> If I can bring the ethical discussion back to the hobby, here is an
> interesting list I received from Yorkshire Tortoise, a fellow
letterboxer in
> England. As you might know, most UK clues are sent to prospective
finders
> in books rather than posted on the Web. YT said this code of
ethics is sent
> with all cluelists.
>
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and
other
> publications. Take note of the prohibition on historic sites and
the ban on
> plastic bags.
>
> YT also sent me a translation of the names the British use for
various
> types of boxes. All are listed on the Mid Missouri Letterboxers
site,
> http://midmoletterboxing.blogspot.com/.
>
> C2B2
>
> --
> Clyde Bentley
> 1863 Cliff Drive
> Columbia, MO 65201
> (573) 445-2295
>
>
> Letterboxing in England
> Code of Conduct
> Courtesy of The Yorkshire Tortoise
>
> This Code of Conduct is sent out with all cluelists from the UK
letterboxing
> clubs.
>
> 1. Digging holes in the ground is illegal, and absolutely
FORBIDDEN. No box
> should be placed in a hole in the ground, and the soil surface
should not be
> disturbed when looking for a box.
> 2. No box should be placed in any animals earth, set or warren,
even if it
> appears to be disused. (Offenders may be prosecuted)
> 3. If a box is placed in a hole in a dead tree, make sure that it
is not
> likely to cause harm to rare lichen, moss, insects etc
> 4. Avoid putting a box on heathland where it may disturb a ground
nesting
> bird
> 5. All boxes must have a contact address or telephone number
> 6. Do not place a box in any monument or stone wall, nor any site of
> historic or archaeological importance
> 7. Avoid public resort areas
> 8. Boxes should be as sturdy as possible and an unobtrusive colour,
but NOT
> wrapped in plastic bags or sheeting ? Animals eat it!
> 9. The grouse-shooting season starts on August 12th, and continues
until
> December. If there is any sign of a shoot, or land management in
progress,
> please letterbox in a different area in order to avoid attention
being drawn
> to our activities
> 10. Respect other people?s property and privacy
> 11. Do not leave litter (aim to leave a site tidier than you found
it)
> 12. Try not to disturb vegetation or wildlife when planting or
looking for
> boxes
> 13. Be aware of the security issues of leaving boxes following
recent
> bombings
> 14. Follow the country code (The country or "countryside code" is
and
> established set of four guidelines: Be safe, leave gates and
property as you
> found them, protect wildlife, control dogs and consider other
people. )
>
> Clyde H. Bentley, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Missouri School of Journalism
> 3 Neff Hall
> Columbia, MO 65211-1200
> (573) 884-9688 BentleyCl@...
> http://www.missouri.edu/~bentleyc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: kathiekelleher (kathiekelleher@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-06-30 21:29:40 UTC
Thanks for the link to your site. It and YT's list are most appreciated. I like your 'crock"
series!
Take care, Orion
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley wrote:
>
> If I can bring the ethical discussion back to the hobby, here is an
> interesting list I received from Yorkshire Tortoise, a fellow letterboxer in
> England. As you might know, most UK clues are sent to prospective finders
> in books rather than posted on the Web. YT said this code of ethics is sent
> with all cluelists.
>
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and other
> publications. Take note of the prohibition on historic sites and the ban on
> plastic bags.
>
> YT also sent me a translation of the names the British use for various
> types of boxes. All are listed on the Mid Missouri Letterboxers site,
> http://midmoletterboxing.blogspot.com/.
>
> C2B2
>
> --
> Clyde Bentley
> 1863 Cliff Drive
> Columbia, MO 65201
> (573) 445-2295
>
>
> Letterboxing in England
> Code of Conduct
> Courtesy of The Yorkshire Tortoise
>
> This Code of Conduct is sent out with all cluelists from the UK letterboxing
> clubs.
>
> 1. Digging holes in the ground is illegal, and absolutely FORBIDDEN. No box
> should be placed in a hole in the ground, and the soil surface should not be
> disturbed when looking for a box.
> 2. No box should be placed in any animals earth, set or warren, even if it
> appears to be disused. (Offenders may be prosecuted)
> 3. If a box is placed in a hole in a dead tree, make sure that it is not
> likely to cause harm to rare lichen, moss, insects etc
> 4. Avoid putting a box on heathland where it may disturb a ground nesting
> bird
> 5. All boxes must have a contact address or telephone number
> 6. Do not place a box in any monument or stone wall, nor any site of
> historic or archaeological importance
> 7. Avoid public resort areas
> 8. Boxes should be as sturdy as possible and an unobtrusive colour, but NOT
> wrapped in plastic bags or sheeting ? Animals eat it!
> 9. The grouse-shooting season starts on August 12th, and continues until
> December. If there is any sign of a shoot, or land management in progress,
> please letterbox in a different area in order to avoid attention being drawn
> to our activities
> 10. Respect other people?s property and privacy
> 11. Do not leave litter (aim to leave a site tidier than you found it)
> 12. Try not to disturb vegetation or wildlife when planting or looking for
> boxes
> 13. Be aware of the security issues of leaving boxes following recent
> bombings
> 14. Follow the country code (The country or "countryside code" is and
> established set of four guidelines: Be safe, leave gates and property as you
> found them, protect wildlife, control dogs and consider other people. )
>
> Clyde H. Bentley, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Missouri School of Journalism
> 3 Neff Hall
> Columbia, MO 65211-1200
> (573) 884-9688 BentleyCl@...
> http://www.missouri.edu/~bentleyc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
series!
Take care, Orion
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
>
> If I can bring the ethical discussion back to the hobby, here is an
> interesting list I received from Yorkshire Tortoise, a fellow letterboxer in
> England. As you might know, most UK clues are sent to prospective finders
> in books rather than posted on the Web. YT said this code of ethics is sent
> with all cluelists.
>
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and other
> publications. Take note of the prohibition on historic sites and the ban on
> plastic bags.
>
> YT also sent me a translation of the names the British use for various
> types of boxes. All are listed on the Mid Missouri Letterboxers site,
> http://midmoletterboxing.blogspot.com/.
>
> C2B2
>
> --
> Clyde Bentley
> 1863 Cliff Drive
> Columbia, MO 65201
> (573) 445-2295
>
>
> Letterboxing in England
> Code of Conduct
> Courtesy of The Yorkshire Tortoise
>
> This Code of Conduct is sent out with all cluelists from the UK letterboxing
> clubs.
>
> 1. Digging holes in the ground is illegal, and absolutely FORBIDDEN. No box
> should be placed in a hole in the ground, and the soil surface should not be
> disturbed when looking for a box.
> 2. No box should be placed in any animals earth, set or warren, even if it
> appears to be disused. (Offenders may be prosecuted)
> 3. If a box is placed in a hole in a dead tree, make sure that it is not
> likely to cause harm to rare lichen, moss, insects etc
> 4. Avoid putting a box on heathland where it may disturb a ground nesting
> bird
> 5. All boxes must have a contact address or telephone number
> 6. Do not place a box in any monument or stone wall, nor any site of
> historic or archaeological importance
> 7. Avoid public resort areas
> 8. Boxes should be as sturdy as possible and an unobtrusive colour, but NOT
> wrapped in plastic bags or sheeting ? Animals eat it!
> 9. The grouse-shooting season starts on August 12th, and continues until
> December. If there is any sign of a shoot, or land management in progress,
> please letterbox in a different area in order to avoid attention being drawn
> to our activities
> 10. Respect other people?s property and privacy
> 11. Do not leave litter (aim to leave a site tidier than you found it)
> 12. Try not to disturb vegetation or wildlife when planting or looking for
> boxes
> 13. Be aware of the security issues of leaving boxes following recent
> bombings
> 14. Follow the country code (The country or "countryside code" is and
> established set of four guidelines: Be safe, leave gates and property as you
> found them, protect wildlife, control dogs and consider other people. )
>
> Clyde H. Bentley, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Missouri School of Journalism
> 3 Neff Hall
> Columbia, MO 65211-1200
> (573) 884-9688 BentleyCl@...
> http://www.missouri.edu/~bentleyc
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Jim Carleton (chaosmanor@myway.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 02:47:42 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Johnson" wrote:
>
> Clyde,
>
> Thanks for sharing this. I think the whole document has some good
> points...
>
> I would like to ask: How many letterboxers carry garbage bags and
> pick up litter when they LB? If not, can I challenge you to start
> this? Having a positive impact on the environment would be an
> excellent tenant of Letterboxing.
An excellent idea, and one which geocaching has supported for a quite
a while; it's called CITO: Cache In, Trash Out. Might we propose an
analog for LB? LITO: Letterbox in, Trash Out. All it takes is a
plastic trashbag, and maybe a pair of gloves, or one of those
trash-grabber goodies. Groups can even plan events for cleaning up an
area, and hide a box or two as part of the deal. If you can work out
a quid-pro-quo with a local Park Department, even better, as then
you'll have permission for the LBs, and official acknowledgement from
them of your activities, which will go far towards fending off any
negative comments. This approach has worked very well with COSCA and
other agencies in the Conejo Valley (Thousand Oaks area) of Southern
California. We rarely lose a cache to groundskeepers and such.
chaosmanor
>
> Clyde,
>
> Thanks for sharing this. I think the whole document has some good
> points...
>
> I would like to ask: How many letterboxers carry garbage bags and
> pick up litter when they LB? If not, can I challenge you to start
> this? Having a positive impact on the environment would be an
> excellent tenant of Letterboxing.
An excellent idea, and one which geocaching has supported for a quite
a while; it's called CITO: Cache In, Trash Out. Might we propose an
analog for LB? LITO: Letterbox in, Trash Out. All it takes is a
plastic trashbag, and maybe a pair of gloves, or one of those
trash-grabber goodies. Groups can even plan events for cleaning up an
area, and hide a box or two as part of the deal. If you can work out
a quid-pro-quo with a local Park Department, even better, as then
you'll have permission for the LBs, and official acknowledgement from
them of your activities, which will go far towards fending off any
negative comments. This approach has worked very well with COSCA and
other agencies in the Conejo Valley (Thousand Oaks area) of Southern
California. We rarely lose a cache to groundskeepers and such.
chaosmanor
Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-07-01 22:32:38 UTC-05:00
Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a description
of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
box, for someone to take if they need one.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
box, for someone to take if they need one.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Drew Family (drewclan@aol.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 15:14:05 UTC
>
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and
other
> publications.
Hey, Clyde! I've always loved that British book of "rules," and I
think they are probably perfect for Dartmoor. For the entire US,
though, I'm not sure they fit and we have adopted a more general
approach. The Mapsurfer's faq on LbNA at
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq/faq.html#015
is what I suggest you go by. Using the Leave No Trace philosophy
might sound a little counterintuitive since by its very nature
letterboxing leaves more than a trace, but the underlying philosophy
works.
As for digging holes, lots of American letterboxes are plugged in the
ground. I think they don't dig in Dartmoor because they're likely to
disturb an ancient artifact or dig up some unexploded ordinance.
Hiding in stone walls is a touchy subject here in New England, where
these old fences are ubiquitous. There have been some disasters with
stone wall damage caused by letterboxers, unfortunately. We still do
it ourselves but have mixed emotions about it, and try to describe
exactly where to look in walls so that finders don't have to tear
through them searching. There is one preserve manager in our area who
is particularly against stone wall hides, and I recommend anyone in
CT planting in Avalonia Trust properties avoid it.
I don't think that putting the Dartmoor rules in your boxes would be
much help, but adding a Leave No Trace pamphlet might be an idea. You
can download them in pdf from their website.
Finally, we enjoyed reading your blogged Rehide post where you found
one of your own letterboxes mistakenly rehidden in plain site in a
garden pagoda. Priceless!
Jay & Margaret in CT
P412F425X285
> Im curious about what folks think of it and whether we should have
> something similar that is routinely included in our logbooks and
other
> publications.
Hey, Clyde! I've always loved that British book of "rules," and I
think they are probably perfect for Dartmoor. For the entire US,
though, I'm not sure they fit and we have adopted a more general
approach. The Mapsurfer's faq on LbNA at
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq/faq.html#015
is what I suggest you go by. Using the Leave No Trace philosophy
might sound a little counterintuitive since by its very nature
letterboxing leaves more than a trace, but the underlying philosophy
works.
As for digging holes, lots of American letterboxes are plugged in the
ground. I think they don't dig in Dartmoor because they're likely to
disturb an ancient artifact or dig up some unexploded ordinance.
Hiding in stone walls is a touchy subject here in New England, where
these old fences are ubiquitous. There have been some disasters with
stone wall damage caused by letterboxers, unfortunately. We still do
it ourselves but have mixed emotions about it, and try to describe
exactly where to look in walls so that finders don't have to tear
through them searching. There is one preserve manager in our area who
is particularly against stone wall hides, and I recommend anyone in
CT planting in Avalonia Trust properties avoid it.
I don't think that putting the Dartmoor rules in your boxes would be
much help, but adding a Leave No Trace pamphlet might be an idea. You
can download them in pdf from their website.
Finally, we enjoyed reading your blogged Rehide post where you found
one of your own letterboxes mistakenly rehidden in plain site in a
garden pagoda. Priceless!
Jay & Margaret in CT
P412F425X285
Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Kathy Norris (kathy.norris@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 12:43:23 UTC-07:00
*** hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
equipment to carry out the task!
Kathy
Team Tysonosaurus
On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy wrote:
>
> Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> description
> of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the
> box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps
> to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly
> provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
>
> Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
> box, for someone to take if they need one.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
equipment to carry out the task!
Kathy
Team Tysonosaurus
On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy
>
> Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> description
> of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the
> box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps
> to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly
> provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
>
> Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
> box, for someone to take if they need one.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: mary Zinsle (mary_zinsle@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 21:14:38 UTC
My BF and I alaways carry extra items like zip lock bags, paper and
napkins..we do this incase a letterbox needs
maintenance..surprisingly we have come across quite a few that needs
a little help..the box owner may not be able to get out enough to
maintenance their boxes and we are more than happy to restore them to
order (considering we are both OCD) we enjoy it almost as much as
finding the boxes.However I love the idea of picking up trash and we
are going to have to incorpoate that into our routine. Thanks for the
idea!!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Norris"
wrote:
>
> *** hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is
a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave
the box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea
helps to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may
possibly provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
>
> I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
> equipment to carry out the task!
>
> Kathy
> Team Tysonosaurus
>
>
>
> On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy wrote:
> >
> > Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> > description
> > of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters
taped
> > together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other
is a trash
> > bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you
leave the
> > box,
> > and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally,
everyone
> > carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this
idea helps
> > to
> > heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may
possibly
> > provide
> > a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
> >
> > Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash
bags in a
> > box, for someone to take if they need one.
> > --
> > Barefoot Lucy
> > "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
napkins..we do this incase a letterbox needs
maintenance..surprisingly we have come across quite a few that needs
a little help..the box owner may not be able to get out enough to
maintenance their boxes and we are more than happy to restore them to
order (considering we are both OCD) we enjoy it almost as much as
finding the boxes.However I love the idea of picking up trash and we
are going to have to incorpoate that into our routine. Thanks for the
idea!!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Norris"
>
> *** hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is
a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave
the box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea
helps to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may
possibly provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
>
> I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
> equipment to carry out the task!
>
> Kathy
> Team Tysonosaurus
>
>
>
> On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy
> >
> > Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> > description
> > of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters
taped
> > together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other
is a trash
> > bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you
leave the
> > box,
> > and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally,
everyone
> > carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this
idea helps
> > to
> > heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may
possibly
> > provide
> > a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
> >
> > Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash
bags in a
> > box, for someone to take if they need one.
> > --
> > Barefoot Lucy
> > "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 17:32:44 UTC-05:00
Drew Family wroge:
Using the Leave No Trace philosophy
might sound a little counterintuitive since by its very nature
letterboxing leaves more than a trace, but the underlying philosophy
works.
******
Jay,
I'm pretty committed to LNT myself. I teach it to scouts, so I want to
always practice it so that I don't have to think about whether I am abiding
by it or not when I know I'm in a position to set an example.
I struggled with letterboxing for quite some time because, as you said, it
is counterintuitive to the philosophy of LNT. I finally found my way clear
to continue LB'ing when I realized that I am observing LNT with respect to
durable surfaces and planning ahead and leaving what I find and being
respectful of others. I am also heightening awareness of the outdoor world
through many of my boxes, which in turn encourages others to learn and
practice LNT. And although not all LB'ers are LNT'ers, many if not most
letterboxers will gladly pick up trash to and from a box, which certainly
enhances LNT. Finally, in leaving behind tupperware, it is true that we are
leaving behind superfluous material, but as long as we maintain our boxes
and plant with the other principles in mind (particularly durable surfaces),
I believe letterboxing is harmonious to LNT. And frankly, if I couldn't say
that and believe it, I don't think I could continue letterboxing.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Using the Leave No Trace philosophy
might sound a little counterintuitive since by its very nature
letterboxing leaves more than a trace, but the underlying philosophy
works.
******
Jay,
I'm pretty committed to LNT myself. I teach it to scouts, so I want to
always practice it so that I don't have to think about whether I am abiding
by it or not when I know I'm in a position to set an example.
I struggled with letterboxing for quite some time because, as you said, it
is counterintuitive to the philosophy of LNT. I finally found my way clear
to continue LB'ing when I realized that I am observing LNT with respect to
durable surfaces and planning ahead and leaving what I find and being
respectful of others. I am also heightening awareness of the outdoor world
through many of my boxes, which in turn encourages others to learn and
practice LNT. And although not all LB'ers are LNT'ers, many if not most
letterboxers will gladly pick up trash to and from a box, which certainly
enhances LNT. Finally, in leaving behind tupperware, it is true that we are
leaving behind superfluous material, but as long as we maintain our boxes
and plant with the other principles in mind (particularly durable surfaces),
I believe letterboxing is harmonious to LNT. And frankly, if I couldn't say
that and believe it, I don't think I could continue letterboxing.
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Greenthumbnh (greenthumbnh@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 18:10:52 UTC-07:00
I absolutely think your idea is fantastic.
gail
Greenthumbnh
Kathy Norris wrote:
*** hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
equipment to carry out the task!
Kathy
Team Tysonosaurus
On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy wrote:
>
> Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> description
> of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the
> box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps
> to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly
> provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
>
> Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
> box, for someone to take if they need one.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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gail
Greenthumbnh
Kathy Norris
*** hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the box,
and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps to
heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly provide
a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.***
I love this idea! What a nice reminder that provides the necessary
equipment to carry out the task!
Kathy
Team Tysonosaurus
On 7/1/06, Barefoot Lucy
>
> Somewhere in the archives of one of the lists, you would find a
> description
> of a hitchhiker that someone makes that is two film canisters taped
> together, and in one end is the stamp and log, and in the other is a trash
> bag. You would remove the trash bag and collect trash as you leave the
> box,
> and then replace the bag before you rehide the HH. Ideally, everyone
> carries trash bags with them (I know my family does), but this idea helps
> to
> heighten the awareness to the need to "give a hoot" and may possibly
> provide
> a bag for someone who came along ill-equipped.
>
> Guess you could do the same by leaving a small supply of trash bags in a
> box, for someone to take if they need one.
> --
> Barefoot Lucy
> "It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Stacey Bayliff (jose_quiti@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 18:17:57 UTC-07:00
We've put together something similar. We call them Litterbugs. It's just 1 film canister with a plastic grocery bag stuffed into it. There's a Litterbug label on the front with instructions to use the bag to collect trash on the way out of the park, replace the plastic bag, and leave the canister in the next letterbox visited.
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Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: Jana J. Riska (jjcadenza@gmail.com) |
Date: 2006-07-02 21:02:04 UTC-06:00
Jay, that is really interesting, because I was always told that one of the
"rules" despite "having no rules" was that we don't dig holes. I was a bit
surprised to see you list that. I haven't ever found boxes that planters
dug holes for. I've always looked for natural holes and covered them with
stuff, but I didn't think we dug here either.
just thinking,
Cadenza
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"rules" despite "having no rules" was that we don't dig holes. I was a bit
surprised to see you list that. I haven't ever found boxes that planters
dug holes for. I've always looked for natural holes and covered them with
stuff, but I didn't think we dug here either.
just thinking,
Cadenza
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Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-04 01:28:55 UTC
Cadenza, I don't think your thinking is too "off" as I remember the
same thing you do...no holes dug.
I have found a box or two by a particular placer that were in dug
holes and disliked it. First of all removing them from their hole in
the winter when they've frozen into the ground is impossible,
secondly it just doesn't "feel" right.
Now I'm wondering where I heard this "rule", though I think it to be
a good one.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Jana J. Riska"
wrote:
>
> Jay, that is really interesting, because I was always told that one
of the
> "rules" despite "having no rules" was that we don't dig holes. I
was a bit
> surprised to see you list that. I haven't ever found boxes that
planters
> dug holes for. I've always looked for natural holes and covered
them with
> stuff, but I didn't think we dug here either.
>
> just thinking,
> Cadenza
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
same thing you do...no holes dug.
I have found a box or two by a particular placer that were in dug
holes and disliked it. First of all removing them from their hole in
the winter when they've frozen into the ground is impossible,
secondly it just doesn't "feel" right.
Now I'm wondering where I heard this "rule", though I think it to be
a good one.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Jana J. Riska"
wrote:
>
> Jay, that is really interesting, because I was always told that one
of the
> "rules" despite "having no rules" was that we don't dig holes. I
was a bit
> surprised to see you list that. I haven't ever found boxes that
planters
> dug holes for. I've always looked for natural holes and covered
them with
> stuff, but I didn't think we dug here either.
>
> just thinking,
> Cadenza
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: troublew_tracy (troublew_tracy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-04 02:21:17 UTC
> Now I'm wondering where I heard this "rule", though I think it to be
> a good one.
>
It's actually in the very FAQ (from LbNA, written by Mapsurfer) that
the first poster linked to.
> a good one.
>
It's actually in the very FAQ (from LbNA, written by Mapsurfer) that
the first poster linked to.
Re: Letterboxing Ethics
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2006-07-04 20:25:10 UTC
Thank you! My old brain doesn't work like it used to. Been years since
I read the FAQ- probably a good time to re-read it.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "troublew_tracy"
wrote:
>
> > Now I'm wondering where I heard this "rule", though I think it to
be
> > a good one.
> >
>
> It's actually in the very FAQ (from LbNA, written by Mapsurfer) that
> the first poster linked to.
>
I read the FAQ- probably a good time to re-read it.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "troublew_tracy"
>
> > Now I'm wondering where I heard this "rule", though I think it to
be
> > a good one.
> >
>
> It's actually in the very FAQ (from LbNA, written by Mapsurfer) that
> the first poster linked to.
>